Here is the second part of two transcripts detailing the Q & A Session that occurred following the screening of The Messenger at the 18½ Philadelphia Film Festival. The Q & A was hosted by the Artistic Director of the Philadelphia Film Society Harlan Jacobson, and featured the star of the film Ben Foster, its writer/director Oren Moverman, and two of its producers: Zach Miller and Lawrence Inglee.
Harlan Jacobson(HJ): I’m gonna take this out to the audience, and I’m gonna do my best Phil Donahue impression, but I heard you say something there I’m kind of curious about. How did you guys meet? I had a feeling that it isn’t like you totally met professionally, you seem like buddies or something. [To Audience] Who out here wants to talk, give me a show of hands… Alright.
Audience member: How did they meet?
HJ: Well we’re gonna find that out.
Oren Moverman(OM): I believe someone introduced us a few years ago, saying ‘you guys should meet.’
[Audience laughs.]
HJ: That’s a good one. That’s a good one.
Audience member(AM): Gentlemen, I’d like to congratulate you on a truly powerful and wonderful film. Really, it’s truly remarkable. I had a question for Mr. Foster because I gather that he doesn’t appreciate events such as these, so I thought I’d ask an easy question, which is: when he read the script, I was wondering if he had any trepidation about taking the role, or is this something that spoke to him right away, that he jumped right into.
Ben Foster(BF): Well to answer the first part of your comment, I do like events such as these, I just like to be sitting where you’re sitting [Gestures to audience]. And the drag of coming to a film festival is that you don’t get to watch films, and you know, hear the people you want to hear talk, because we’re kinda rushing around in the machinery of it all. So, if you see us kinda staring at our feet– we like making the film, but we’re not so good at standing. [Chuckles.] In terms of the film, [my] reservations were pretty simple. Which is what [Jacobson] brought up earlier, that this is a tricky subject, and business wise, can we get this made the right way? And can casting… can it be filled out with the right people? And Woody [Harrelson]’s part had not been cast. I had already been an enormous fan of Oren’s writing for years: I’m Not There, Married Life, Jesus’ Son. He comes with a hell of a reputation, so I was very excited to read it when I read it, and it was the first script — and I had read a few that dealt with the war as a surface-level topic — and this was the first one that didn’t feel like it took a particular political side or over-political take; it allowed people to see the results rather than the philosophies. And that was very exciting, it was very sparse… and human. And most scripts, or most of the time, at least from an actor’s standpoint, my standpoint, it’s what can I do with this? What can I create? What can I add to this? And if we [as actors] can’t, generally we’ll say no. With this, it’s how does one honor these words, how does one honor these people? And then I sat down with Oren, and it was very simple, it’s one of those lovely occasions, and rare occasions, where when you look in somebody’s eyes and see ‘Oh, I know you.’ So then, ‘okay, well that’s taken care of.’ And then it’s… do we have the protection, the shield? That these two men [gestures to producers Zach Miller and Lawrence Inglee] provided to allow the other actors and crew members to come together and listen to each other. I met Lawrence actually first, and that was another shorthand experience. It was one of those, ‘Oh, you!’ And he kept talking about this circle. He’s like ’so we have this circle. And we pray to this safe circle. And we don’t want to let anyone inside that doesn’t feel the circle.’ And I was like ‘I wanna be in your circle!’ And we gotta make sure the right people get in that circle. So we felt really strong, we didn’t know what we were talking about exactly, but my reservations were that people would come in and say they wanted to make an “important” movie. Rather then, ‘hey, we wanna ask some questions together.’
AM: [to Moverman] What made you choose Woody [Harrelson] to play at first glance such a macho role? Normally, I’ve known him as a comedic actor through his career, but he really pulls this off as a really ‘hard-nails’ military vet. And a follow up question, you mentioned earlier, or Ben mentioned that you had experience in the Israeli army. How did that help you with the script or making the film?
OM: With Woody — well, he’s played a lot of intense roles. I think a lot of the smaller films he’s done do not get proper attention, cause he’s done a lot of intense, serious roles. I met with him because we offered him a different role in the movie. It was actually the role of the colonel, which was actually bigger in the script, but smaller in the movie. And when I met with him, and he finished eating off my plate, he said that I got it all wrong, that it’s actually this guy, that he should actually play him. And he explained to me why, and we started talking about it, and a couple hours into it, I was absolutely convinced he was the right guy. And we needed that humor, we need humor in this movie and need some relief, and that character walks a thin line between sorta holding it together and then falling apart, and Woody does that better than most. He was a little concerned, being the hippie that he is, about playing a solider, but we talked about that, and we just said shave your head, grow a mustache, put on the uniform and you’ll feel it. And he did.
[Audience laughs]
OM: In terms of the Israeli army, I mean it’s obviously a different military of a different time, in the good old days of terrorism. My experience… I mean there’s nothing in the movie that I can say is about my experience. What I felt I brought to the movie was the understanding of a soldier coming back, because I served in Lebanon in the early to mid-eighties in occupied territories. So I felt the whole concept of coming back from another planet was something that I could communicate to them and explain emotionally.
AM: First of all, Ben, I thought your performance was really brilliant and hope you get nominated for an Academy Award.
[Audience applauses, cheers.]
OM: Can I say something first? Not about your performance. Our work that– what we’re doing, and we’re doing around the country, is really talking to people. And we love talking about the film, but one of the things that we’re asking is because we are a little film that’s fighting for attention is that if you did like the film, you should know that we’re opening it theatrically November 13th in New York and D.C., and then it goes around the country November 20th. So if you could just tell people you know, tell people you don’t know, tell strangers, if you feel strongly about this film, we need your help. And I’m sorry to plug it like that, but you gave me an opening.
[Audience applauses]
AM: I think it’s rare to see a scene where a man is so sensitive to a woman in the romantic scene between you and Samantha Morton in the kitchen. How did you two do that scene, and what was it like working with Samantha, and did the two of you figure that out yourself, or did the director give you direction? It was an amazing scene.
BF: Again, it has to be thrown back to, I guess that damn circle thing I was kinda rambling about incoherently a minute ago. Samantha Morton is one of the greatest actors we have. And I’ve had an enormous actor-crush on her for years. So when she got cast, the falling in love element was pretty easy. I believe everyone on the set felt the same way — she was nursing, she had just given birth, so she was breast-feeding between scenes. I mean, she’s impossible not to just adore. In terms of the actual shooting of the scene, it was very similar to how Oren set up all the scenes. Which is, he talked to all the actors separately, he’d bring in Bob Bukowski our D.P., and say, ‘Okay, start here.’ And we had been prepping for– privately and one-on-one, but Sam and I never talked together. And the three of us didn’t talk together. We went into the room– [motioning with hands] table’s over here, some tape marks over there, and there will be some dancing probably over here. And what’s in there is the rehearsal. And we did it… I guess three times? And the first take, that’s what you see in the movie. We just didn’t overthink it. So that when I say that Oren created a space for people to be with each other, that was one of those moments where two people need something– and don’t know how to ask for it. And don’t know exactly what they’re asking for. And thank goodness we didn’t have to do any coverage. [Chuckles] There was a lot of balls on set, I hate to get crude about it when you were bringing up we have sensitivity. Ya know, there’s a lot of courage to shoot a scene for nine and a half minutes and say ‘Nah, that works.’ And a lot of people put their jobs on the line for that. Man, I’m a kind of a rambling mess right now, but yeah, that was a special moment. And Oren created a space, and our producers here, allowed us to take those kind of chances rather than medium shot, close-up, single, single, over-the-shoulder. It’s like, ‘nope. Nine and half minutes? Let it go.’ And it’s rare we have that kind of experience as people, as actors, as producers. So on this film, we got lucky.
AM: I guess this would actually be on the same subject, I’m curious about Oren’s work with Bob Bukowski. Because the film has a very naturalistic style but it also seems to be very different from a lot of American movies that are made nowadays in that sense that there’s a lot of use of long takes. It’s one of the first movies I’ve seen in a very long time that’s used zooms. And it’s lit very naturalistically. I’m just curious if you could talk about the way you shot the movie and how that allowed you to work with your actors or with your D.P.
OM: Yeah, I mean, you know Bob is an amazing cinematographer, and very very experienced, and this was my first film as a director so we developed a language between us. But a lot of the ideas that turned out to be in this movie were there at the beginning. We wanted to shoot the whole film with zoom lenses, mostly because we wanted to give the actors a lot of freedom. We wanted for ourselves the freedom to kind of dance with them, improvise, and feel at certain moments that we could pull closer and then at certain uncomfortable moments we could pull back. The film has a lot of intensity, a lot of emotional scenes, and we didn’t really want to milk them or exploit them too much because they were going to be strong enough with the kind of actors that we had. So we decided to shoot them in one take, especially the notifications, handheld, for just the immediacy and the improvisational feel to them. And let things happen in unexpected ways. We threw everyone off set. It was just the actors, myself, Bobby, the focus puller, and the sound guy. And we just moved with them and tried to capture the moment. And when the scene was over, we could cut because we were out of ideas. And then we had a strategy for every type of scene. All the scenes in Ben’s bedroom apartment were shot with a camera that doesn’t move, very close to the ground to just create a feeling of safety, almost like this more zen feeling to the only place where he felt safe, literally at home. We watched the film– a lot of films ya know, but one of the films we started with was Salesmen by Menzos Brothers and it’s a beautiful documentary from the sixties and it’s about Bible salesmen. I thought of it because I worked with the Mezos when I first started and I saw all their films. And I thought, ‘what could be another film about people coming to the door with something?’ And that was filmed at the end of the era of the Bible salesmen. So we looked at it and looked at how the Mezos used zooms. And then Robert Altman and Hal Ashby and people like that, who just wanted to have that feel. It just so happened that it’s a seventies feel and I think there’s a little bit of that in the movie’s role.
AM: I’m interested in the role of military advisors or lack thereof. I saw the names of a few people in the credits that seemed to be officers. And also if you know the reaction of military people to the film.
Zach Miller: Yeah, we worked with the military support from the beginning of the project, from the point when the movie was starting production. There was a gentlemen by the name of Paul Sinor who was a representative from the military who was on set. Usually the military sends someone for a few weeks, Paul was on from the beginning of preproduction all the way to end of the film, and actually we’ve been in touch with him regularly ever since. And the movie shot at Fort Dicks in New Jersey. And there were– you know, you see all sorts of soldiers in the film, and they’re actual soldiers who were coming back to the States from being abroad, and going through their process of coming back to the States. And they were extras in the film. And there was a lot of exposure to the military through the whole process, and we were very integrated with them through the whole thing.
Lawrence Inglee: Lt. Colonel Paul Sinor was on set with us everyday like Zach said, we had full support of the Department of Defense, which surprised us at the beginning. We sent them the script, we didn’t know what they would think, we thought they would run far away from us. They, in fact, felt quite the opposite, and that adds to the sense of complexity of this dialogue. They felt like this was a story that needed to be told, and that it to be a service of great honor throughout the military. And that within the context of the army it’s the worst job you could possibly get, but it’s always approached with a sense of dignity and honor like you see in the film. So they were with us every step of the way. And we spoke to many people who had done the job, and we started the process by visiting Walter Reed. We went to Washington, D.C. and went up to the MPT Ward, and spoke to the soldiers. And it became very much a part of how me made the film. It’s still very much a part.
AP: I love the film. Really tremendous. And I actually did serve, I was stationed at Maguire’s, so just from that aspect from someone who was in the military, I did enjoy that very much. I’m also an actor and enjoyed it from that aspect as well. Just two questions, one for Oren: you mentioned briefly that you weren’t allowed to show coffins and some other things. I thought that was interesting, if you could speak on that a little bit. And then Ben, as a question for you, as far as preparation as an actor, I would love just a couple of insights as to what you did in preparing for the role and how you approach them.
OM: Well we were allowed to show these things, they’re legal now, but when we started the process the idea came over in casual conversation, because we– that was the time when we still couldn’t see these images in the media. Now we’re allowed to see it, and I think they do it from time time to time very carefully with permission from the families. But that was part of the motivation we had back then which is, who’s looking at the home front? Who’s looking at the people who live the consequences of the war? And we thought we had the opportunity to do it in a very dramatic, you know I don’t want to call it a device, but from the streamlining perspective it is a very dramatic device to take two guys who go from door-to-door and basically tear families apart and then ruin their lives forever with a message.
BF: Lawrence was mentioning a field trip we took to Walter Reed. I spent time in the MPT Ward. And our extras were soldiers that had just gotten back from serving a week or two ago, so they’re marching around. And the whole idea was being humble — for all of us. The entire cast, the entire crew was being humble to this experience. Which is loss. And you can take the military hat off it. So by spending time and having Paul Sinor, Lt. Colonel Sinor on set everyday, guiding us saying, ‘Well, you gotta tighten your beret, and you wouldn’t say it like this, you would say it like that, and this is how’– we had constant reinforcement from a very experienced point-of-view. But at the end of the day, what we were all after was getting out of our own way– being humble to… these people. Which, in some regard, is something that we’re all still processing, I know I am as an actor, but by being more gentle with myself in terms of dealing with loss… grief. And I’d say that’s the most beautiful thing of acting at its– the most blessed moments are those moments when you lose yourself and you can just be with someone else, and you can be received, and you’re receiving, and it’s okay to be hurt. And I think in some ways that’s what this movie is about. On a big level, it’s allowing ourselves to feel, and be okay with losing, because it’s gonna happen, and it’s going to continue to happen whether you’re in the military or not. And after we’ve received that call, we’ve made that call, how we find a reason to celebrate the connections we still have.
This is where the Q & A concluded. The Messenger is truly a powerful film, as shown through the reactions of the audience and the feedback the filmmakers had for their questions. Be sure to catch it when it expands nationwide on November 20th!